1. Warming up with Henry's cars and a hands-on analysis of Myrtle's vehicular homicide
Each kit contains the following: A yellow car, a blue car, a "Myrtle", and a random car coming from the opposite direction.
Level 1: Reenact what happens in Chapter 7 with the cars. Who's in which car on the way there and the way back? Where are they going and why? Who is driving each car? Why do they switch around?
Level 2: Analyze Fitzgerald's choices here. Why did he make this so complicated? Why does it matter that _________ ran over ________? Why is _________'s car? Why are the car colors symbolic? Why this manner of death?
Level 3: What is Fitzgerald trying to teach us about...recklessness? Love? Lust? Dreams? Respect?
2. Enjoying a fishbowl discussion of Chapter 7
3. Wrapping up:
- Why did Myrtle have to die?
- Was her death an intentional murder?
- What rising conflict lead up to this moment?
HW:
1. Your blog entry for Chapter 7 must be complete by the end of the day on Friday; after this, Chapter 7 blog entries can only receive half-credit.
2. Our fishbowl discussion of Chapter 8 is Friday, April 14.
3. This Friday is the end of 12 weeks; all work from the past 6 weeks is due this Friday by 3:00 pm.
1. Your blog entry for Chapter 7 must be complete by the end of the day on Friday; after this, Chapter 7 blog entries can only receive half-credit.
2. Our fishbowl discussion of Chapter 8 is Friday, April 14.
3. This Friday is the end of 12 weeks; all work from the past 6 weeks is due this Friday by 3:00 pm.
Was there any sort of symbolism with the colors of cars? because if there was we couldnt find any
ReplyDeleteI think it was because of the contrast between such a happy vibrant color and a brutal murder.
DeleteDoes Tom feel partially responsible for Myrtle's death?
ReplyDeleteThe description of Myrtle's dead body seemed symbolic and important.
ReplyDeleteThey choose Gatsby's car to hit Myrtle because the day was described as hot and they had a very big argument before they left. So I feel like it was a symbol of being like in the heat of the moment.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the significance of Daisy driving? Did Daisy know what Myrtle looked like?
ReplyDeleteDid Daisy feel any guilt for what she had done?
ReplyDeleteI think it had to be Daisy driving because otherwise there would be no controversy about whether the murder was intentional or not. If it was Gatsby driving, the reader would've known it was an accident because Gatsby has no ties to Myrtle.
ReplyDeleteWhy did Myrtle's heart have to come out
ReplyDeleteIt had to be Daisy driving because now we have to learn if Gatsby will protect her (take the blame).
ReplyDeleteWe talked about the affiliation between myrtle and daisy
ReplyDeleteMyrtle's death was unintentional. It was too dark and Daisy was too intoxicated to make that kind of conscious decision so quickly
ReplyDeleteMy take away is that I believe that Gatsby and Daisy are done but a question I couldn't answer is if Daisy knew who Myrtle was?
ReplyDeleteI'm definitely still confused about the details on Myrtles death. Could Daisy really have known Myrtle and hit her on purpose?
ReplyDeleteOne take away we had was that although Daisy hit her by accident, she still didn't care enough to go back and face what she did
ReplyDeleteWe felt like it was so complicated to keep that sort of theme doing. Through out the book Fitzgerald has made a lot of things complicated already so we thought we was trying to continue that trend.
ReplyDeleteWhen Daisy kills Myrtle it shows how the affairs are ending for both Tom and Gatsby. Tom no longer has Myrtle and Daisy's affair with Gatsby is also coming to and end.
ReplyDeleteI agree, it is the main turning point in the book and it symbolizes a change for all of the characters.
DeleteWe talked about why it was important that daisy was driving the car when myrtle was killed. The fact that Daisy was driving made the whole thing that much more complicated. There are more strings attached with Daisy then if Gatsby was driving.
ReplyDeleteThe reason why Myrtle died doesn't makes sense literally because it all happened too fast for it to be on purpose. On the other hand, the reason for her death makes sense more metaphorically because the affair between Gatsby and Daisy was starting to die so Myrtle dying symbolizes Tom and Daisy reconnecting.
ReplyDeleteI think that Daisy actually knew who Myrtle was.
ReplyDeleteHere almost intentional accident kills Myrtle. I don’t think that the color is symbolic but it does allows Tom to make Gatsby the villain of the hole story.
ReplyDeleteMy big takeaway from the discussion is how Myrtle dying is kind of like the death of affairs themselves. I think that Daisy and Gatsby are also going to end
ReplyDeleteWhy is Daisy driving? Is it to show the contrast between Daisy and Myrtle?
ReplyDeleteI think it says that symbolically, but she was driving to blow off steam
DeleteWe came to the conclusion that it wouldn't have been as impactful had Gatsby been driving rather than Daisy, this is because it adds a whole new tension of did Daisy know it was myrtle.
ReplyDeleteBut couldn't it cause more fire between Tom and Gatsby if Gatsby was driving the car?
DeleteWhy would Myrtle run out into the street? That seems more like a suicide attempt. If I wanted to stop a car, I'd stick my hand out and wave, not jump into the middle of the street. I believe it was suicidal.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she really wanted to get his attention and wasn't aware of fast they were going.
DeleteI think that Daisy was the one driving because even though she doesn't know who Myrtle is and Myrtle doesn't know who she is they have connection through Tom and they're both responsible for each other's stress, and if you think Myrtle killed herself of course Daisy, Tom's wife would be the cause
ReplyDeleteI think Myrtles mouth when she dies is very important, it says she days with her mouth wide open as if she was trying to say something.
ReplyDeleteDo you think Daisy knew Myrtle at all and knew that she was having an affair with Tom?
ReplyDeleteI think Daisy knew Tom was having an affair and may have been suspicious of Myrtle.
DeleteI know that Daisy knew about the affair as a whole, but I don't think that she knows who Myrtle was. When Myrtle saw them driving she thought that Jordan was Daisy, so I don't think they have met
DeleteWhy does Fitzgerald go into so much detail of Nicks train ride?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think is the significance of Daisy driving the car?
ReplyDeleteI think it might be to show the contrast of lives between Daisy and Myrtle. And also, it shows that Daisy's lifestyle may be superior to Myrtles.
DeleteThe point wouldn't be as strong had it not been Toms wife that hit and killed his mistress.
DeleteSomething that I heard Ethan talking about was that when you think of daisies (the flower) you usually think of white and yellow. So maybe this had to do with Fitzgerald's choice of who drove the car.
DeleteI think that it is significant because with Daisy driving now we get see Gatsby is going to take the blame.
DeleteI think it just in general make things more complicated because there are a lot of strings attached to daisy and myrtle and tom. The whole book is full of complications and this adds to it.
Delete"So I left him there in the moon light"(Page 145). Is that what is in the cover in the eyes?
ReplyDeleteIt could be, but the face on the front looks like a woman's to me.
DeleteIf Daisy is in love with Gatsby then why would she hit Myrtle? Could this show that Daisy still loves Tom?
ReplyDeleteI think it was an unintentional accident that seems like a big deal because Myrtle was Toms mistress.
DeleteI think it was intentional because I think she feels that Tom has an affair too because she comes out of the house screaming Tom and waving. So I think she can figure it out.
DeleteThis chapter begins to define greatness by showing how much Gatsby is obsessed with Daisy who is neither a good let alone great person.
ReplyDeleteIs every this about Daisy?
ReplyDeleteFor Gatsby yes
DeletePg. 143 "Was Daisy driving? Yes, but of course I'll say I was." Does Gatsby admit the police will eventually find his car and then just get out of it? Why not just hide the car all together or sell it?
ReplyDeleteThis becomes quite relevant in the next chapter. Stay tuned...
DeleteOn page 143 Gatsby says "I got to West Egg by a side road," he went on, "and left the car in my garage. I don't think anybody saw us, but of course I can't be sure." so he did try to hide it but we will need to wait and see what he does next to hide the incident.
DeleteThe affair between Tom and Myrtle makes it easier to leave Tom because she has a legitimate reason. So why is so hesitant to leave him?
ReplyDeleteGoing off of what CJ said in the inner circle, do you think Daisy has always been a different person but was masking her feelings or do you think something in her changed to make her lose her innocence.
ReplyDeleteI feel like they're living in an era where innocence is impossible (at least, in Fitzgerald's opinion/portrayal). The Modern era has destroyed it somehow.
DeleteI think that Daisy didn't lose innocence per se she just was pretending to be everything she was with Tom because she was forced to be there because "Rich girls don't marry poor boys" and she wanted to be with Gatsby but couldn't
DeleteDaisy said it best on page 3 "The best thing a girl can be in this world, is a beautiful fool."
DeleteDo you think it was a good idea to let Daisy drive even though she was very upset from what had happened in the city?
ReplyDeleteProbably not, this whole incident may have been avoidable if Gatsby drove rather than Daisy.
DeleteI think it was different time and maybe she would not let Gatsby drive she wanted to drive because wanted to go somewhere.
DeleteIt would be better if Gatsby was driving, but he likes to please her, so he let her drive.
DeleteAs Preston said in the main group, why should Daisy care about cheating on Tom? Tom does the same to her.
ReplyDeleteI have the same question, maybe this is because she has a special attachment to Tom and feels bad for hurting him because they had a child together.
DeleteThis chapter is like the underworld of a hero's journey because everyone's secrets come out. It is hot the whole day and Fitzgerald makes sure we know that it is a very hot day for them. Everyone starts accusing each other and then Myrtle dies.
ReplyDeletePage 143 "I disliked him so much by this time that I didn't find it necessary to tell him he was wrong."
ReplyDeleteHow will this affect Nick's opinion on Gatsby? Will they become distant after this?
Does the very hot weather described in the beginning of Chapter 7 ("Some weather!... Hot!... Hot!..." pg. 115) have any correlation with Myrtle''s death at the end? Fitzgerald seems to make these two events the focal points of the chapter, how do they overlap?
ReplyDeleteI think that they connect because this chapter is kind of like the underworld where everything goes bad, and the hot weather was the setting of the underworld
DeleteWe knew Daisy as a sweet, innocent girl. Why did she just keep driving? Was it something that Gatsby said to her or was it her that decided not to go back.
ReplyDeletePerhaps it's symbolic of the idea that there's no turning back...the innocence (even if the innocence was merely a facade to being with) has been killed off.
DeleteOr she was so astounded she didn't want to be blamed as a murderer by he public
DeleteI think that she kept driving because she didn't know what to do plus she was drunk and could not think correctly. I also think that she can't turn back now and now Gatsby can't turn back either.
DeleteDo you think everything would be more stressful if Gatsby was the one to hit Myrtle? He took away his mistress and his wife.
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DeleteThat is a really good point. I wonder why Fitzgerald had Daisy drive the car, because if Gatsby was driving it, everything would be so much more dramatic.
DeleteI think there would be more tension between Tom and Gatsby, however, Myrtle has very little tie to Gatsby. If anything, she was helping Gatsby because she drew Tom father away from Daisy.
Delete@Grant G. Myrtle wasn't helping in the end because Wilson was taking her away. That day Tom knew Myrtle would be leaving.
DeleteI think there would be a lot more tension between everyone. I think that it would put Nick in a situation where he couldn't tell the truth. With Daisy driving I think that it might make it a little easier for Tom to let Daisy go.
DeleteOn page 133 Daisy says "I am , though," in context of her leaving Tom. Why was she so set on leaving Tom and then later realize that she wants to be with him. Why is she willing to throw away the love that she had for Gatsby over one fight after all the Tom put her through?
ReplyDeleteI think that she was blinded by the short term happiness of what her and Gatsby used to have, but then when the honeymoon phase was sort of over, then she realized that she had deep sentiment toward Tom and what they have had together.
DeleteThis threw me off too, she ends up away from Gatsby, but during the scene she says shes disgusted by Tom and that she is leaving him. She admits her love for Gatsby and even that she doesn't love Tom really.
DeleteHow did the car accident change the relationship between Daisy and Gatsby? Did it create more distance?
ReplyDeleteI think that it really took Gatsby off guard to see that Daisy could do something like that.
DeleteI don't think we will know what happens until later because she seems kind of distance at end because she is in her room but she wanted him there to protect her in case Tom became violent.
DeleteIt's hard to tell right now because the accident happened so recently. I think we will find out more in Chapter 8, but I think that Daisy and Gatsby are going to start growing farther and farther apart, whether it is because of the accident or not.
DeleteI think it will make Gatsby and Daisy closer because Gatsby might take the blame for Daisy. But I think that it will create a lot of distance between Daisy and Tom.
DeleteAt the bottom of page 131, Tom says, "Once in a while I go off on s spree and make a fool of myself, but I always come back, and in my heart I love her all the time". Is this really an acceptable excuse? Is Daisy actually okay with this or is this something that women were expected to be okay with at the time? Its interesting because Tom doesn't seem to care about the cheating either, he just doesn't like Gatsby. The concept of cheating isn't brought up as if its a bad thing.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Daisy is okay with this. I think that this is a bad excuse that Tom made up to cover himself and make him feel better about himself.
DeleteOn page 137 when describing Myrtle's death it says, "The mouth was wide open and ripped at the corners, as though she had choke a little in giving up the tremendous vitality she had stored so long." I looked up the definition for vitality and it said it was, "The power giving continuance of life, present in all things." Do you think that through this word Myrtle's death could have been a suicide?
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DeleteInteresting point, she way she "gave up" her vitality. Maybe F. Scott just meant it in a general way, not that she intentionally gave it up. Mysterious
DeleteNo, I think this because Myrtles character is built around this definition of vitality, and if you read the last few pages of the chapter Gatsby said on page 143 "...This women rushed out at us just as we were passing a car coming in the other way. It all happened in a minute, but it seemed to me that she wanted to speak to us, thought we were somebody she knew." She was looking for Tom and hoping that it was him that was in a sense coming to rescue her. Something that was interesting is that yellow was the color of life, this is so interesting because it seems as if life, and excitement was the foundation of Myrtle.
DeleteComing back to the Underworld stuff from yesterday, I think Myrtle's death represents the death of affairs, perhaps, for the characters in this book. She is the grand sacrifice so that something else can be reborn/transformed. Will the other characters transform into something better?
DeleteTom sees myrtle's dead body and takes some responsibility and he feels some loose no matter how short lived.
ReplyDelete"They weren't happy..... and yet they weren't unhappy" (page 145) What will Tom and Daisy relationship look like moving on? Can they ever be fully happy together again?
ReplyDeleteI feel like they can never be happy again because Tom lost someone he was close to even if he shouldn't have been with Myrtle.
DeleteI don't think that Tom has ever really been happy with Daisy. He cheated on her during there honey moon.
DeleteIs this the climax of the story? It feels like it, because the time is slowing down and a murder has happened. But, their is still lots of tension, so maybe we are still approaching the climax.
ReplyDeleteI think this is the climax of the book because we only have 2 chapters left, so the conclusion should be starting soon.
DeleteI think that this chapter is the climax of this book, but like Ms. Leclaire said earlier there will be more people dying throughout the book
DeleteI think that this could be the rising action and what comes next in chapter 8 will be the turning point.
DeleteI really don't think Gatsby has killed people, I do believe he is doing some illegal things, but he seems like a good guy. Insider trading can be considered a victimless crime, but murder isn't. I can see Gatsby being someone to act out of what they think is right, not was is legal. Too add to this theory, on page 144 Gatsby says he'll take the blame for the accident. That isn't legal, but Gatsby will do it because he feels like it is right.
ReplyDeleteI think that Gatsby taking the blame instead of Daisy is unrelated to killing somebody. I can definitely see him doing both of these things.
DeleteOn page 137, Fitzgerald writes, "Myrtle Wilson, her life violently extinguished, knelt in the road and mingled her thick dark blood with dust." Why did Fitzgerald make this scene so violent?
ReplyDeleteProbably to drive home the high emotions that were in the scene before. Its to make sure Myrtles death doesn't go unnoticed, its probably going to be very significant later since it was such a mystery at the end of the chapter
DeleteWe have learned that Tom is a good liar. Do you think that he was telling the truth when he said that he loved her? Or was it just a way to "beat" Gatsby and trying to stop someone who is trying to take his stuff.
ReplyDeleteI feel like on some level he used to love her but not anymore and now he is just saying it to spite Gatsby
DeleteI think that we are finding out that Tom loved her before Gatsby came back into the picture because I feel that after Gatsby came into the picture Tom did not feel love for her.
DeleteIs Daisy a fool?
ReplyDeleteYeah I would say she is. She seems to be caught in a pretty dumb situation and she really needs to pick one or the other. Tom is a terrible guy and I'm not sure why she's with him other than money
DeleteI'm not very sure but this defiantly relates to Daisy's own quote in Chapter one, "...that's the best thing a girl can be in this world , a beautiful little fool".
DeleteI don't feel like I know Daisy enough to know if she is a fool. But she seems to be more foolish than smart. This reminds me of when Daisy said "The best thing a girl can be is a fool..." I wonder if she was describing herself.
DeleteShe is because she is very good a manipulating people she is around.
DeleteI feel like she is a fool, only because she thinks of herself as a fool. She believes that the best way to succeed as a woman is to be a fool, so she thinks of herself as one.
DeleteI think she is a fool because she has always lived her life around money. She left Gatsby when he didn't have money and she went back to him when she realized that he did have money.
DeleteI can't find a direct quote of this, because there isn't one, but on pages 140-141 Tom is obviously blaming Gatsby for the murder. Why do you think that Tom was so sure it was Gatsby? They were both in the car. Is is as simple as it being Gatsby's car, or is there something more?
ReplyDeleteTom wants Gatsby to suffer not his wife.
DeleteIt is his car and he already hates Gatsby, so why not paint him as a murder so he can have his wife back?
DeleteI think Tom wants it to be Gatsby because he could never believe that Daisy could do something like this, also Tom might think that this is Gatsby's way of hurting him.
DeleteI think he is still biased towards Gatsby and thinks he is a liar so why wouldn't he kill someone.
DeleteThere's no way Myrtle's death is a suicide. She could have found an easier and more sure way to end her life than running in front of a car.
ReplyDeleteShe saw Tom with his "wife" and is going to be taken away by Wilson, so why not make it quick and painless by running in front of a car?
DeleteMaybe she was just trying to hide the fact that it was a suicide.
DeleteWhat will Nick do with all the information he has from both sides. Will he tell the police that Daisy actually was driving?
ReplyDeleteIm finding that this book has a very weird plot. The whole thing is really character development. We are constantly learning more and more about the characters and there doesn't seem to be an "adventure". And the book is mostly over already.
ReplyDeleteWhat is significant about Daisy driving? Does it mean something more?
ReplyDeleteI think it's significant that Daisy killed Myrtle because it's like the end of an age between Tom and Daisy and the beginning of something between Daisy and Gatsby.
ReplyDeleteI think it is really important that Myrtle thought that Tom was driving the yellow car because it seems like she went out into the street to maybe seek help from him
ReplyDeleteI think the reason why the yellow car was so heavily specified so much because it is going to be a huge part of the explanation of what happened to myrtle and who was involved
ReplyDeleteAre there going to be any consequences to this hit and run?
ReplyDeleteI think that it is significant that Daisy kills Myrtle becasue it shows that she is trying to let go of Tom and all of his baggage.
ReplyDeleteI think this shows the innocent shy daisy dying. And a new more confident Daisy is reborn
ReplyDeleteWhat is the purpose in the shift from thinking the car may have been a light green like the green we've been seeing in the book to the yellow they realize it is?
ReplyDeleteI think that it is symbolic that daisy kills mrytle because she was kind of just killing off a wall between her and Tom.
ReplyDeletei think that daisy killing myrtle has huge symbolism, because now there is nothing in between her and tom, and she was the driving force that made that possible
ReplyDeleteI think that Daisy killing Myrtle because it shows that daisy is acting upon her relationship with Tom and not Gatsby.
ReplyDeleteWhy would myrtle run in front of the car when she knew it couldn't stop that quickly? Why wouldn't she have ran up to the side of the car instead?
ReplyDeleteIt is sort of ironic that Daisy killed Myrtle because Myrtle was having an affair with Tom.
ReplyDeleteI think the reason it matters that Daisy ran over Myrtle is because Daisy is the one who wanted it to work out with Tom, but the only way for them to work was for his relationship with Myrtle to "die off", which in this sense, is quite literal. I also think that it's slightly ironic that Tom's mistress was killed by Daisy because Daisy is also cheating - with Gatsby.
ReplyDeleteNow that Daisy is at fault for Mertle's death, what will Gatsby do to protect her?
ReplyDeleteMichael Sullivan
I think that Daisy killing Myrtle is symbolic of her jealousy of Myrtle and Toms relationship.
ReplyDeleteI believe it is significant that Daisy runs over Myrtle because it solidifies Gatsby's love for Daisy. It shows that Gatsby will go to any length to prove his love for her, even taking the blame for a murder.
ReplyDeleteDoes anybody think that Fitzgerald is trying to convey a message to the reader though the drama with myrtle?
ReplyDeleteI think that who is driving the car is confusing because Fitzgerald wants to emphasize that it is almost everyone has a hand in the death.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Daisy kills Myrtle in a hit-and-run demonstrates that Daisy is the type of person who hurts others and then avoids responsibility for her actions.
ReplyDeleteI think that it is significant that Daisy and Gatsby where in the yellow car when they killed myrtle because Now everyone who witnessed the murder will know that the car belongs to Gatsby because he is the only one who drives a nice car like that and now he will become the main suspect in her murder. In addition to that people are already suspicious of Gatsby and probably wouldn't be surprised if they heard he killed somebody.
ReplyDeleteI think that it is significant that Daisy killed Myrtle because it almost seems as if she was jealous and that killing myrtle would defiantly upset Tom.
ReplyDeleteI think Daisy killing Mertil symbolizes that not everyone is what you think they are. Daisy was put out to be this perfect harmless person, but if you give her a reason to be mad she will take that out.
ReplyDeleteI think it is significant that Daisy ran over Myrtle because that makes her to blame, while ironically many people would say that Tom is guilty for having the affair in the first place.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think that Gatsby and Daisy keep on driving after Myrtle was hit?
ReplyDeleteI think they might have just been scared and weren't sure exactly what just happened
DeleteI think they keep driving to keep themselves from getting in trouble especially because it was such a public crime
DeleteDo you think Daisy knew that Myrtle was the mistress and Daisy didn't want to let Tom see her hit her
DeleteI think they keep driving because they didn't want anyone knowing who exactly did it.
Delete“I disliked him so much by this time I didn't find it necessary to tell him he was wrong.” pg 143
ReplyDeleteHow exactly does Nick feel about Gatsby? He can't seem to stop hanging out with him or say no to him yet he gets so frustrated with him.
Why did they have to switch cars, was this intentional by Fitzgerald?
ReplyDeleteI think it was definitely intentional
DeleteI think it was a sort of power play for Tom, like he got to drive Gatsby's car and tell him what to do
DeleteWhen they left for the city I believe Gatsby was bragging about his car and Tom wanted to test it out so he said they could race. And when Gatsby and Daisy left the city they left in a hurry and Gatsby just got in his own car like usual.
DeleteI think he had them switch cars so it would create some confusion with the scene so you really can understand it. Also the yellow car is the one that hits Myrtle which could result in him being charged with the murder instead of Daisy
DeleteOn page 145 it says "They weren't happy, and neither of them had touched the chicken or the ale--and yet they weren't unhappy either." Are Daisy and Gatsby ever going to be happy again?
ReplyDeleteOn page 120 what does "Her voice is full of money" mean?
ReplyDeleteI think it means that she is really interested in money and like expensive stuff and that shows when she talks
DeleteMaybe it has to do with the fact that she is just really privileged and spoiled. After all Gatsby talks about how Daisy didn't want to marry Gatsby because he had no money.
DeleteI think it means that she feels better than others because she has money or that she is only wanting more money from the people around her.
Deleteit means that she is always talking about her money
DeleteI thought they brought up Daisy's daughter in the first or second chapter?
ReplyDeletethey brought her up but never formally introduced her
DeleteI think Fitzgerald ironically planned to have Daisy be the one who kills Myrtle because of their relationships with Tom
ReplyDeleteI agree and I also think that Gatsby taking the blame for daisy is interesting because he could have left her to face the wrath of her husband but instead he is willing to take the heat
DeleteAlso when someone has to own up to the murder it was Gatsby's car so people will think it is him so we might be able to see whether or not Daisy will take the blame
DeleteI agree I think that it is Fitzgerald's way of starting the end of Tom and Daisy's relationship.
DeleteI think this is partially to show us how far Gatsby is willing to go to protect daisy. And also because this makes it looks like Gatsby is the one who killed Myrtle because its his car and people are already suspicious about him.
DeleteTo respond to the first question about why they go into the city, I think this comes back to our Chapter 2 warm-up on the three settings and what they represent. It makes sense to me that they have their all-out fight in the city because that's where "uncivilized" things can happen (as opposed to the Eggs, where the facade must be upheld).
ReplyDeleteI agree with Lindsey. I think he kept Daisy's daughter away from the reader to make us wonder if she's real just as Gatsby did. The daughter is a very unimportant character so Fitzgerald is able to play around with her presence a lot
ReplyDeleteI agree and I also think it's interesting how Fitzgerald also had a young daughter around the time he was writing the book
DeleteDo you think Gatsby and Daisy's relationship is going to change a lot or not at all?
ReplyDeleteI don't think it will change a whole lot
DeleteI don't think it's going to change as much as Gatsby would like it to. I think he wants things to be like the way it was between them in the past before he went to war but it won't happen.
DeleteYes because Gatsby recently confronted Tom about their love and their relationship will have a large shift soon in the book.
DeleteMichael Sullivan
YES!!!!!!! if Daisy chooses not to date Gatsby then their relationship will be over
DeleteI think it depends how Tom reacts to Myrtles death. This whole situation is very sensitive so I think at the least they will kind of take a break until things are back to normal.
DeleteI think the affair between Daisy and Gatsby is over. She realized that she actually did love Tom...and depending on how shallow you think she is, she might also be disgusted with the way Gatsby has earned his money.
DeleteDo you think that there is a significance in Daisy driving the car rather than Gatsby? And how far will Gatsby go to protect her and take the blame?
ReplyDeleteMichael Sullivan
I think based on Gatsbys love for Daisy he will do whatever it takes to keep her safe.
DeleteI think part of the reason why Fitzgerald had daisy driving so that they could show how gatsby would react and what he would do for her, because I feel like she wouldnt have done as much for him as he will do for her.
DeleteI think that Gatsby would go to every length to protect Daisy and make sure none of this comes back on her. He's only ever loved her and he'll do anything to protect her
DeleteI agree with Diego Gatsby seems to be so in love with Gatsby. On page 143 Nick asks if Daisy was driving and he said "yes, but of course I'll say that I was." That to me really proves his love for her.
ReplyDeleteOn page 135 Nick says, "'No... I just remembered that today's my birthday.' I was thirty. Before me stretched the portentous, menacing road of a new decade." Was this part weird to anyone else? How do you think Nick managed to get so caught up in life that he forgot about his own birthday?
ReplyDeleteThis part was weird to me as well, he randomly said that it was his birthday and I wonder if it has significance to later parts in the book.
Delete"Where's Daddy?" "She doesnt look like her father," explained Dasiy. "She looks like me. She's got my hair and shape of face." Daisy sat back on the couch. The nurse took a step forward and held out her hand." pg 117
ReplyDeleteWhy do Daisy and Tom have such little interest in their daughter?
I think maybe Tom doesn't want to think about his love for Daisy. They had to have been in love with each other at one point to have a child but I think it's very significant that Tom never interacts with his daughter. In the beginning of the book Daisy explains to Nick that Tom was not even present at the birth of his own child.
DeleteMaybe they really didn't realize what being a parent really is. I also don't think tom really cares because he doesn't care about his wife or anything because he goes and has affairs with myrtle.
DeleteI don't think that thy have little interest in their daughter. I think that they have so much unresolved tension between them that it wouldn't be right to expose their daughter to.
DeleteOn page 141 they talk about how the car behind the car that Gatsby and Daisy where in, there are so many signs and signals that they did it but why wouldn't the admit to it earlier instead of fighting for it?
ReplyDeleteOn page 135 nick says "I just remembered that today's my birthday" Why do you think nick totally forgot that? Why didn't any other family people send him anything or call him? HIs family is never really talked about.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering that too. It seems Nick may kind of be on his own in terms of family. He never seems to talk about his parents or any siblings and obviously no one called him for his birthday so they either died or he may have been an orphan or he isn't in any contact with his family.
DeleteWhat will be the main significance of Fitzgerald Killing off Myrtle
ReplyDeleteI think this could be the "death/rebirth" part for Tom. He has a lot of things to deal with after this because he can't grieve without Daisy knowing what was going on between him and Myrtle. I'm interested to see how his character changes in the next few chapters
DeleteHow come in the movie Gatsby is the one to hit Myrtle
ReplyDeleteHow will Myrtle being killed change the book and the characters in it? Will they just move on with there lives? Will they turn themselves in?
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