1. Warming up with a close reading of the Chapter 8's final sentence
Look up a definition of the word "holocaust," keeping in mind that The Great Gatsby was written long before World War II and wouldn't carry any associations with concentration camps.
Apply that definition to this final sentence. Here are some questions to help guide you:
- Who has been killed off?
- What larger ideas have been killed off, and how?
- What forces are behind the destruction in this chapter and throughout the novel?
- What ideas and people take the blame for their own self-destruction?
- What part of Gatsby died before he was murdered?
- What part of Wilson died before he killed himself?
- What makes it a "death by fire"?
2. Enjoying our penultimate discussion of The Great Gatsby (Chapter 8)
3. Wrapping up: What word, phrase, or short sentence (besides the final sentence) from Chapter 8 is most central to The Great Gatsby's climax/turning point?
HW:
1. Finish reading The Great Gatsby (and complete your blogs) by Tuesday. We will have Gatsby timed writing on Thursday, so use this weekend to catch up if you've fallen behind.
2. A heads-up: We will be forming nonfiction book clubs next Wednesday. If you'd like a sneak peek of this unit, I have started posting overviews, book choices, permission letters, etc. on the website.
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ReplyDeleteI think the word Holocaust fits with this chapter because it was the death of two lives, two dreams, and two futures. The destruction of two worlds.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes it a "death by fire"?
ReplyDeleteI just think in some way the fire was just inside him. So the fire can mean rage, and he committed the murder suicide with that rage inside him. The death by rage, or death by fire.
What is going to happen to Daisy after this?
ReplyDeleteKnowing Daisy she is probably going to suppress her feelings and settle with Tom, while being eternally sad and guilty
DeleteWhen Gatsby was killed, the American dream was killed off as well. Gatsby encompassed the american dream within his society, so when he died, it seemed to die as well.
ReplyDeleteI think Gatsby's hope died before he died. He no longer held onto the hope that Daisy would come back to him and that they could repeat the past.
ReplyDeleteI think that it was a death by fire because their emotions were contributing to what had happened and fire can symbolize the emotion for angry.
ReplyDeleteWhat part of Gatsby died before he was murdered? I think that all his hope died because he knew that he was going to die.
ReplyDeleteWhy did Gatsby's world view change so dramatically at the end of chapter eight.
ReplyDeleteIt was a death by a fire that was fueled by hatred from wilson. He was so mad because he had found out that his wife was cheating on him the day before she died. Everything was so sudden it started boiling a fire in him to find the man who was responsible for the death of Myrtle.
ReplyDeleteWhat ideas have been killed off and how?
ReplyDeleteDaisy’s affair with gatsby, Wilson’s ignorance, The whole idea of The “Great” Gatsby
True bravery, true valor, and true love die with Gatsby.
ReplyDeleteand true mystery
DeleteI found it very interesting that he was mentally dying before he was actually shot. Because he felt he was loosing everything and his love and everything and then got shot and acutally died
ReplyDeleteI think this book has been full of jumping to conclusions. Wilson kills Gatsby because he assumes who was driving, one of the points in this book is to find the truth before acting upon things.
ReplyDeleteWas Gatsby's death a death of fire?
ReplyDeleteYes I think it was because I associate anger with fire so when he was murdered it was out of anger.
DeleteI think it was metaphorically... Obviously not physically, but I think the death was a cause of the fire inside Wilson in a sense
DeleteI don't think so because to me a death of fire is your own choice and he didn't get that choice because he was shot.
DeleteIn the film do you think the murder scene will be more dramatic?
ReplyDeleteProbably, just because the movie producers know that people enjoy drama.
Delete“‘God sees everything,’” (160). At this point in the book Wilson was staring at Doctor T. J. Eckleburg's eyes, do you think that Wilson was thinking that Eckleburg was like God in a sense, because Eckelburg is always watching?
ReplyDeleteWilson kills for hate but he misses killing a great man.
ReplyDelete"They're a rotten crowd," I shouted across the lawn.
ReplyDelete"You're worth the whole damn bunch put together."
I've always been glad I said that. It was the only compliment I ever gave him, because I disapproved of him from beginning to end." (Pg. 154)
Do you think Nick really meant what he said to Gatsby?
If Nick had disapproved of Gatsby so much than why is the book called "The Great Gatsby"?
“She vanished into her rich house, into her rich, full life, leaving Gatsby -nothing” (149). Why do you think Daisy left Gatsby with nothing?
ReplyDeleteI think she left him with nothing because she was upset with him and how he kept telling her to say how she never loved Tom even thought that wasn't true.
DeleteI think she left Gatsby with nothing, because he somewhat started this entire mess. She left him with nothing because she was busy cleaning up the mess.
DeleteDoes Tom even care about Gatsby's death or Wilson's
ReplyDeleteTom will probably feel bad for Wilson, because he was cheated on and then killed himself. With Gatsby, Tom may think he deserved it.
DeleteI think he cares more about Wilson just because he uses Wilson
DeleteI think Tom will be glad that Gatsby is dead. Tom wanted Gatsby dead and thought he deserved it. However, when it comes to Wilson I think Tom will care just a little but not very much. Tom cared more about Myrtle than he did about Wilson, otherwise he wouldn't have slept with his wife.
DeleteWhy do you think Wilson said "God sees everything"
ReplyDeleteI think that he says this referring that nobody can hide from what they do.
DeleteHe is probably nervous about the decision he is about to make, and weighing the thought that God will know what he did.
DeleteRight after this quotation, Fitzgerald addresses again the eyes of Dr. TJ Eckelberg (which Wilson is looking at when he says that God sees everything). In the film, Lurhmann emphasizes the presence of the eyes as well. I wonder if Wilson is fed up with the lack of consequences for people's immoral behavior, and he decides to take "God's work" (as he interprets it) of deciding who lives, who dies, who is punished, etc. into his own hands.
DeleteI also find that weird because he isn't a religious man.
Delete"...he blurted out that a couple of months ago his wife had come from the city with her face bruised and her nose swollen." How was this explained to Wilson and was this the big clue that he figured out she was cheating?
ReplyDeleteI think he knew long before but he just didn't want to face his wife until this moment.
DeleteOn page 149 it says, “However glorious his future might be as Jay Gatsby, he was at present a penniless young man without a past, and at any moment the invisible cloak of his uniform might slip from his shoulders.’’
ReplyDeleteGatsby is always so worried about his reputation, but do you think if he had never met Daisy he would still have all the money he does now?
I think his love for Daisy motivated him to get money. Then the lose of Daisy to Tom motivated him even more to become the man that Daisy thought he was.
DeleteThe law aside did Tom and Daisy commit a crime thats worth punishing?
ReplyDeleteI am sorry I do not understand this question. Do you mean Gatsby and Daisy?
DeleteNo I do mean Tom and Daisy. Did they commit crimes?
DeleteThen no, I don't believe they committed any crimes.
DeleteHow would Tom have committed any crimes? We don't know a lot about him.
DeleteI believe that Tom's crime was greater than Daisy's. Daisy killed Myrtle in a rush when she wasn't even thinking right while Tom had been committing his crime for a long time and had been hiding it knowingly.
DeleteHe did cheat on his wife. I know thats not technically a crime.
DeleteWhat crimes would they have committed together? Tom never did anything wrong other than cheat, and Daisy's homicide wasn't committed with Tom
DeleteAlthough Cheating on your spouse in not legally a crime, the question was "the law aside did Tom and Daisy commit a crime that's worth punishing". I believe that although Cheating is not a crime worth being arrested for, I believe that the willingness to make love to another woman while in marriage with another is one of the greatest crimes a person can commit against another. I believe that The death of Myrtle was not the cause of the "holocaust" I believe that the idea that the broken hearts and the secrecy was the cause to the death of Gatsby and Wilson.
DeleteWilson was really getting screwed here. Tom's wife was messing around with Gatsby, but at least Tom had Myrtle. This left Wilson completely alone. He was trying to stay faithful and everyone around him was happy with the "wrong" person. This probably made him really angry and drove him over the edge
ReplyDeleteWhen Wilson looks back on his last talk with Myrtle, he refers to the billboard of Doctor T. J. Eckleburg. What does the billboard represent?
ReplyDeleteThe eye's of God.
DeleteAre there any heroes in this story?
ReplyDeleteInteresting thought here. You think it would be Gatsby or Nick, but neither of their lives end better than when they started. Even if, did either of them really go through a full hero's journey? I don't think so
DeleteDoctor T.J. Eckleburg
DeleteI don't believe anyone is a hero in this story. Nick was a bystander the whole book and he got pushed around by other people. Gatsby was not the hero because he did things that were unlawful. Daisy is not the hero because she let her thing with Gatsby go to far.
DeleteI think that Gatsby being killed was not as big of a turning point because even before he was killed he was dead on the inside, his dreams and motivation died when Daisy choose Tom.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I think his death was a bigger deal for the society he lived in than for him. He was an icon in his city, people really looked up to him, so when he died they have nobody to look up to.
DeleteWhile I agree with you about the dead inside comment, I think there was still a dream in his heart that they could be together. Maybe Daisy would wise up and choose Gatsby.
DeleteI agree, I think Gatsby's death is more important metaphorically speaking, representing the larger things that are being killed off.
DeleteI agree, because what if Wilson had gone after Daisy instead? If Daisy had died, Gatsby would have no reason to live anymore and would probably end his life
DeleteSince Daisy is more of a Golddigger, does she really care about Gatsby? Would she really feel remorse about Gatsby being shot for her? Or just think " Glad It wasn't me"
ReplyDeleteThis is actually a really good point. She seems to be stuck between two guys in a fight of wealth. The fact that she picks Tom proves that she didn't care a whole lot about who would treat her well. I'm interested to see how she reacts
DeleteI think that even though she may love Jay that she will just stay with Tom and not care a whole lot.
DeleteShe will care because she says she loves Gatsby in chapter 7. I think Daisy will be very upset by what happens and this will mess with her and Tom's relationship.
DeleteAfter the hotel room Tom was pretty mad at Gatsby. When he gets to the gas station he really tries to push Wilson to take action against the person who killed his wife. But that could have some affects on Daisy and Tom doesn't seem to care. Why is that?
ReplyDeleteMaybe he was still mad and didn't want to get in trouble with the law so if someone else kills her he is free.
DeleteWithout nick could the book still go on?
ReplyDeleteCould everything still have happend without nick?
DeleteNo, given that he is such a friend to all characters, he knows everything and sets up Gatsby and Daisy and potentially affected the whole story line of the book, even though he didn't DO a whole lot
DeleteNo, because Gatsby most likely wouldn't have got back together with Daisy. Plus, Nick knows most people's secrets. Nick is the underlying factor between everybody.
DeleteWe needed Nick to bring Daisy to his house for tea, so maybe it still could have gone on. We would just need to find another way for Daisy and Gatsby to reconnect.
DeleteNo, Nick was basically the median between all the characters
DeleteGoing back to the title of the book and how much we have read, is Gatsby really great?
ReplyDeleteI think in certain ways Gatsby is great. Gatsby died and was willing to take the blame for the women he loved. That is pretty great. However, I think Gatsby is also a lier and a coward.
DeleteI agree
ReplyDeleteResponding to the inner circle...but I think Nick still admires aspects of Gatsby. Their relationship is complex and contradictory. One of the last things he says to Gatsby is that Gatsby is better than the whole rotten bunch put together. I believe he also thanks Gatsby. I'm not sure Fitzgerald wants us to blame Gatsby as much as we should mourn his loss (and what it symbolizes) and questions the forces that led up to it.
ReplyDeleteGatsby had a dream and he fought for and that might be something worth celebrating and maybe worth the title of great.
DeleteTrue. I'm not convinced that the title is ironic. I think there are aspect of Gatsby that are genuinely great.
DeleteWhat I believe makes it a death by fire is that it started out with a small spark that could have been extinguished but the fire was fueled by people like Toma, as well as Myrtle's death, until it was raging and would go on to consume wilson and then gatsby.
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ReplyDeleteI think that this "holocaust" was the death of the past and who these people were. They all had pretty care free lives, and now they are going to be slipping into a depression.
ReplyDeleteWe talked in the beginning of the book about how it's possible that Nick was how Fitzgerald saw himself and Gatsby was how he wanted to be. If this is true why does he kill Gatsby? What does this suggest about his perception of himself?
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ReplyDeleteI think the base of all this started with the argument Tom and Gatsby had in the hotel room because if that didn't happen Daisy wouldn't have been driving so recklessly and then Mrytle wouldn't have been killed and then Gatsby wouldn't have been killed
The world is so much more than what we see and he realized that as he died.
ReplyDeleteI think that the part of Wilson that died was his personality and him as a person because he was a totally different person going to Gatsby's house.
ReplyDeleteI think the hope and optimism inside Gatsby were killed before he actually was. He really believed that him and Daisy would be together and things would work out but when him and Tom got into that crazy fight he saw Daisy slipping away from him.
ReplyDeletebefore gatsby died, daisy died within himself first. and once he no longer had her, he wasnt really himself
ReplyDeleteThe possibility to repeat the past died when Gatsby died.
ReplyDeleteI think hope was dead in Gatsby before he was murdered because he began to realize Daisy was not who she used to be and that he couldn't ever fully have her like he wanted.
ReplyDeleteBefore Gatsby was murdered, that part of him that died before was his hope.
ReplyDeleteWilson lost his sanity before he died
ReplyDeleteIt was the start of the holocaust because not only were three people killed but it also killed any potential future with Daisy or any dreams that Gatsby had.
ReplyDeleteMichael Sullivan
I think Gatsby's dream died before his murder. This is shown by the quote by Nick, "He no longer cared. That he had lost the old warm world, paid a high price for living too long with a single dream."
ReplyDeleteGatsby’s life being taken was the final part of the holocaust. Piece by piece he had been dying off and his love for Daisy was what had been keeping him going and the idea that they would one day be together, but when she never called for him he knew that was over and that was the last piece of his "soul" dying and all that was left was him and his body which was eventually taken by Wilson.
ReplyDeleteGatsby’s hope to be with Daisy died before he was murdered, because even after everything that happened in the city she never reached out to contact him. Wilson’s humanity died before he killed Gatsby and himself, because he sought blind revenge.
ReplyDelete"God sees everything" do you guys think Gatsby was the messiah with a lot of hope “He was a son of God…and he must be about His Father’s business”
ReplyDeleteGatsby's hope seems to die just before Gatsby dies. Yet it is also Gatsby's hope (to return to the past) that leads to his death. What is Fitzgerald suggesting about the role hope plays in our lives? Is it positive or negative?
ReplyDeleteI think the over all theme of destruction in this chapter was love. With out Martyl, Wilson wanted to seek revenge by killing Gatsby then he killed himself. While Gatsby I think realized that Daisy wasn't going to call or want to talk to him, especially after the accident. If Daisy never hit Martyl do you think, she would have called or figured thing out with Gatsby?
ReplyDelete"He felt married to her that was all" (149) If Gatsby felt married to Daisy when they were younger than how could he ever leave her is she was all he had?
ReplyDeleteHe was forced to leave her when he went to war.
DeleteI think Gatsby had no choice but to go the war; he was already enlisted when he met her.
DeleteI think that Gatsby wanted to make something of himself before he could marry her. He thought she was such an amazing person and I think he wanted to give her the world.
DeleteDaisy told Gatsby that she could not be with him because he was poor
DeleteOn the last page of the chapter, page 162, nick explains "It was after we started with Gatsby toward the house that the gardener saw Wilson's body a little way off in the grass, and the holocaust was complete." Why do you think the author chose to end the chapter this way? Why did he make this huge scene so subtle.
ReplyDeleteOn page 162, Nick states, "It was after we started with Gatsby toward the house that the gardener saw Wilson's body a little way off in the grass, and the holocaust was complete." Before Mertle was killed, Wilson was fighting with her about her affair. Do you think that he would have killed her and do you think that he is trying to avenge her honor or her death by murdering Gatsby?
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I don't think that Wilson ever would have killed Myrtle, he had her locked up and was just trying to move away as quickly as possible to separate her from Tom so that the affair would end. Wilson seems like he was so obsessed with Myrtle that when she died he just went into a rage and decided to kill Gatsby because he though that Gatsby took Myrtle from him.
DeleteOn page 152, Gatsby says "'I don't think she ever loved him.'" It seems he's trying to convince himself of this more than anything. Do you think Gatsby was worried that Daisy would go back to Tom?
ReplyDeleteI agree. I feel like gatsby is almost talking to himself more than anything
DeleteDaisy going back to Tom really seemed to be an insecurity with him. He was scared that he still wasn't enough for her even with all the money he has.
DeleteI think Gatsby was always insecure in his relationship with Daisy because he never actually would leave Tom and so he often says "She never loved him" as a way to assure himself she did love him and really want to be with him because she was all he wanted and had left
DeleteI think gatsby was wanting daisy to call when she desperately needed him, he waited at her window all night wanting her to come to him and he waited up all night for her to call
ReplyDeleteI agree. I think he felt like she needed him and he was just waiting for her to show it
DeleteI like the symbolism, too, in Daisy turning off the light while Gatsby is keeping his vigil
DeleteOn page 147 Nick narrates, "His (Gatsby's) house had never seemed so enormous to me as it did that night when we hunted through the great rooms for cigarettes." What is the significance of including this scene in the story? What is symbolic about this description of Gatsby's mansion?
ReplyDeleteI think that the author describes the house as almost empty because it is a reflection of how a lot of the characters feel at this point. Wilson feels empty without his wife and Gatsby feels empty because he is afraid Daisy isn't going to chose him.
DeleteDo you think Daisy will feel guilty for not calling or seeing him when she realizes that Gatsby is dead?
ReplyDeleteI think with nearly every death of someone that is close to you, you feel some sort of guilt no matter what so I think she will defiantly feel very guilty.
DeleteI agree with Lauren, if she had called him it might have changed the course of the whole night.
DeleteI think that she will feel guilty but, this also brings up the idea of the past being repeated. she cant go back and change anything
Delete“Then he killed her,” said Wilson. His mouth dropped open suddenly. “Who did?” “I have a way of finding out.” “You’re morbid, George,” said his friend. Pg 158
ReplyDeleteDo you think the way Wilson knew how to find out who killed his wife was through Tom? Are we supposed to infer that Tom through Gatsby under the bus knowing Wilson would kill him and there would no longer be any issues with Gatsby?
I think that Tom was his source of finding out but I do not think that Tom knew Gatsby would be killed. Although he was angry, he was not at the level where he would have Gatsby killed.
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Now that Gatsby is dead do you think Daisy will go back to Tom and more importantly do you think Tom will welcome her back?
ReplyDeleteI think now that gatsby is dead tom might not change at all because he has nobody else to worry about. But I think if he was still alive tom would've tried to become a better person because he was fighting over daisy with gatsby
DeleteI think Tom and Daisy will stayed married and ignore there problems and try to ignore that anything ever happened. They seem like the kind of people to ignore there problems just like they both ignore that they are both cheating on each other.
DeleteI think Daisy will stay with Tom and I think Tom will want her because I think Tom wanted Gatsby to go away because it seems he may have been Wilson's source as to how Myrtle died
DeleteI think Daisy has definitely run back to Tom. I'm not sure that he welcomes her back because I'm not sure that he ever fully acknowledged that she fell in love with another man...
DeleteIf daisy is bothered by the fact that gatsby was in the car when myrtle was killed, what is tom going to think of daisy? Will he even care or will he just support her no matter what?
ReplyDeleteI think he will be upset but he will get over it. When they were fighting it sounded like Tom would do anything to keep Daisy and now that Mertyl and Gatsby are dead they finally have a chance to be with each other.
DeleteI think hes at the point where he just wants someone. So I feel he will support her regardless
Delete@inner circle I think Daisy would've stayed with Tom because I think she killed Myrtle for a reason
ReplyDeleteI think that Daisy would have stayed with Tom but I don't think the Daisy killed Myrtle on purpose.
Deleteon page 156 it says " it excited him too that many men had already loved daisy- it increased her value in his eyes." If Gatsby was excited by the fact that other men obviously have loved daisy, then why did he make such a big deal out of daisy saying she never loved tom?
ReplyDeleteI think that Gatsby is a little selfish in this way. I think that Tom is also a insecurity problem for Gatsby because he worries that Daisy will love Tom more then she loves Gatsby. I also think that because he has never loved anyone else he expects the same from her.
DeleteI think Gatsby likes to believe that he's different. He wants to think that out of all of the guys who have loved Daisy, she only ever loved him. I think it tells us a lot about his ego.
DeleteDid Fitzgerald want the eyes of Doctor T.J. Eckleburg to represent a god like figure that sees everything? It seems that the eyes are always watching the group when something happens. I say this because on page 159 Wilson says, " God knows what you've been doing. You may fool me, but you cant fool God!" After this, theirs a brief sentence about the eyes. Then on page 160 Wilson repeats, "God sees everything"
ReplyDeleteI think the eyes are supposed to represent a "God sees all figure" but he didn't necessarily want the book to have a true religious symbol and Wilson said himself he isn't religious so he used this billboard of the eyes instead
DeleteI wonder if Wilson thinks he's taking "God's work" (in his interpretation) into his own hands. He feels that people are behaving immorally, as though nobody is watching. He wants there to be repercussions.
DeleteI was wondering the same thing Ethan, especially watching the movie Evertime something big happened or anytime they went through the city of ashes the billboard with the eyes always popped up.
Delete“I’ve always been glad I said that. It was the only compliment I ever gave him, because I disapproved of him from beginning to end” pg 154
ReplyDeleteNick spent so much time with Gatsby but at the same time he was always frustrated or disapproving of him, why did his actions contradict his thoughts and words so much?
I think that even though Nick did not approve of Gatsby, he still yearned for his approval. Throughout the book, he cares about people's opinion on him and does what they want.
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I think Nick was just trying to understand Gatsby but Gatsby died before Nick could ever understand him which must have been frustrating.
DeleteNick to me always seemed to me that he liked Gatsby so when he said those things in the book it made no sense to me.
DeleteYeah I always thought that was weird because even on the second page of the book Nick mentions, "Gatsby, who represented everything for which I have an unaffected scorn," and later on the same page he says, "Gatsby turned out all right at the end."
DeleteSomething ironic that just came to me: the past, in a way, actually is repeated. Gatsby and Daisy fell in love, then Daisy chose Tom.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think Wilson represents on a deeper level in this chapter?
ReplyDeleteHe's always described as "colorless" and as a "ghost." He's almost a personification of the Valley of Ashes. He might represent the death of heroism and/or romance in the Modern age?
DeleteIn a biblical level I think Wilson was the eyes of god and Gatsby was the son of god
DeleteOn page 148, "It was the night that he told me the strange story of his youth" Why did Nick decide to include the story of Dan Cody chapters before?
ReplyDeleteI think to some extent this book is us following Nicks thoughts of Gatsby's life when he was a part of it and so thoughts and memories sometimes come to us out of order as one thing takes us to or reminds us of another
Delete“After the Armistice he tried frantically to get home, but some complication or misunderstanding sent him to Oxford instead.” pg 151
ReplyDeleteI don't understand how he ended up at Oxford by some miscommunication or complication? How did he not know he wasn't coming back to the United States and instead to England? Isn't that something you can control?
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ReplyDeleteI think the story would have been in a way less significant. I think it's pretty admirable that he stayed for Daisy and didn't run when things got scary.
ReplyDeleteThe pool = water = protection from fire. Didn't work.
ReplyDeleteWater = baptism/rebirth?
On page 161 it states "If that was true he must have felt that he had lost the old warm world, paid a high price for living too long with a single dream" This scene to me connects to the Ted talk we watched by Isaac Lidsky about how he had created his own reality and didn't see the truth till it came crashing down, similar to the way Gatsby is described by Nick in this scene.
ReplyDeleteThe three things I would have talked about were. Does love make all of our social decisions for us? Why is the Dr. TJ Eckleburg sign in the Valley of Ashes? And if he is god then is it because God wouldn't accept what happens at Gatsby's house? Last I would of asked what was the purpose of Gatsby's death both literally and symbolically?
ReplyDeleteIf I had participated in the fishbowl discussion I would have said something like this. I’m kind of glad that Wilson confronted Myrtle about her affair with Tom. First of all I don’t think that Myrtle should have had an affair in the first place. I think that when we get married we want to spend the rest of our lives together, creating vows between each other. But not all marriages last until we pass. I thought it was interesting how Wilson said (I don’t remember the exact lines) that Myrtle couldn’t hide her sin from the eyes of God and that the next morning the eyes of T.J. Eckleberg showed up. I don’t really know why I thought it was so interesting to me when I read the line. Maybe it’s because I’m a religious person and believe that God is watching me and is always watching out for me. Helping me make decisions, helps me during rough times, etc. (I’m saying what I think people should believe in, I’m just saying what I believe in and think about that line).
ReplyDeleteOne of the things I would have said is will Daisy feel somewhat responsible for what happened to Gatsby, because she was the one driving the car, or was the outcome still the same even if Gatsby was driving. Another question I had was if Daisy will ever confess to being the one who killed Myrtle, and will she ever tell Tom the truth about what happened? Will she be able to live with the guilt that she killed Myrtle, and in a chain reaction she also killed Gatsby and Mr. Wilson. On page 159 Wilson says, " God knows what you've been doing. You may fool me, but you cant fool God!" After this, theirs a brief sentence about the eyes. Then on page 160 Wilson repeats, "God sees everything." Is this hypocritical because then Wilson goes and kills Gatsby?
ReplyDeleteThe main focus of this chapter is to elaborate on Daisy and Tom's relationship, because if you think about it, all of this would not have happened if Daisy and Tom mutually separated. The death of Myrtle was obviously the reason why Wilson killed Gatsby, but again if Daisy and Tom didn't try to force their relationship to work, I believe that none of this would have happened.
ReplyDeleteThe main focus of this chapter was to see the kind of person that Gatsby was. He really just shows that he will wait forever until Daisy is with him and he'd do anything for her. I also picked up that Nick feels more sympathy for him when he realizes the kind of person he really is and his true intentions. The book also focuses on Wilson and his motivation to find who really did this to his wife, although Daisy did this, should Wilson be more mad at the person who killed his wife or who used his wife for his personal pleasures.
ReplyDeleteon page 156 it says " it excited him too that many men had already loved daisy- it increased her value in his eyes." If Gatsby was excited by the fact that other men obviously have loved daisy, then why did he make such a big deal out of daisy saying she never loved tom?
ReplyDeleteReply: I think that they made such a big deal because I think that even though he is saying all of the stuff about Daisy, he didn't really mean all of it and then when Daisy whom the person he liked a lot finally said it out loud, it made him re think and think about if she really meant it. This question made me think about the idea of the mask and how so many people wear a mask in life, I think that Gatsby is a perfect example of the idea of the mask because it seems that through out the book he has put of a different mask many times than who he actually was